Swancoat wrote:You know, the way I read it initially, I think hazlnut is complaining about the Insteon stuff, not Indigo.

I get his point, people DO say, "Call Smarthome about it" a lot. I think it just pushed him over and made him say, "Why do their products require so much damn support". My synchrolinc experience is not awesome yet either.

Sometimes, I think the Smarthome folks are agents of Chaos; Over Labor day weekend, I was going to start moving my sister's old computerless X10 system onto Insteon; the main issue was a series of pole lights along the driveway that are becoming less and less reliable, probably due to wire length, which runs 50 yards from the house to the main power pole, then another 150 out to the final pole. Plugged in an insteon Appliancelinc to the power plug on the last pole and confirmed that it would work at that distance from an Insteon controlling in the house, then pulled the fixture off the top, and got ready to replace the X10 appliance module inside the standard metal light pole with the Insteon appliancelinc and found...it's about two millimeters too big to fit inside a standard pole. OK, Plan B; I now have a surplus Insteon/X10 boosterlinc that I no longer needed when I moved my home onto Insteon, so I'll put it in the weatherproof power box on the power pole... open the large cover, get ready to plug it in...and it's about a millimeter too large to fit inside a standard weatherproof receptacle cover... so unless I spend a lot of extra money to buy switchlincs to wire inline in the poles and then use them as if they were appliancelincs, I'm stuck. It's almost if the guys who were designing the Appliance/Lamp/Boosterlinc box looked up the dimensions of as many things that people would want to stick them in and made it just a smidge too big to fit, despite the fact that they *could* have made it half the size (think of a switchlinc without the switch).

Just FYI, what you're looking for is an In-LineLinc...

jay wrote:Just FYI, what you're looking for is an In-LineLinc...

Why? It's 5 bucks more expensive than a Switchlinc relay (we've got CFLs in all the fixtures), and looking at the picture, it looks larger... likely juuuuust barely too big to stuff into the pole (again making my point).

I would agree with Jay. I'm using an In-LineLinc for an outdoor installation on a back-yard fence. At first, I didn't think it would fit in the box, but it does. I ended up getting an In-LineLinc and an OutletLinc in the same box so I can dim the lights on the back fence and turn on and off the fountain back there.

Have you checked the size specifications to see if it might fit?

dshj wrote:Have you checked the size specifications to see if it might fit?

My question still stands...Why should I pay 5 dollars more for something that MIGHT fit (it's hard to figure out if a square box will fit into a round pole even if I have the dimensions for both; I THOUGHT the appliancelinc would make it, but it's just barely too big to cut the chord) when I KNOW a switchlinc half the size will certainly fit and except if a mouse gets inside the post and hits the switch, the two are functionally identical?


And a few followup questions, why does the inlinelinc that is bigger and harder to install and does less cost more than the switchlinc? And why does a switchlinc do more than an appliancelinc in a much smaller package? Wouldn't it have been simpler from a design and manufacturing standpoint to start with the switchlinc internals and just strip out the switch, switch sensing and on/off led driving components and build small sized packages around the result with leads out for the inlinelinc and a plugset for the appliancelinc? They're AGENTS OF CHAOS, I tell you!!!!

I went to the smarthome factory store since I work near it, and the inlinelincs are very tiny compared to even the picture on the website. They are a lot smaller than appliancelincs, outletlincs, and switchlincs.

Yeah, johnpolasek. I don't know where you're getting your information, but the In-LineLinc is about half the size of an ApplianceLinc. It has no switch like the SwitchLinc, so if a mouse got into the pole, the mouse wouldn't be able to switch the line off or on.

My only concern would be with the In-LineLinc itself. The one with dimming wouldn't work well with the CFL's that you're using. You could burn out the bulbs or the In-LineLinc itself unless the bulbs are dimmable. I would recommend product 888865 from Home Depot (dimmable LED bulb) for dimmable bulbs. I have replaced almost all of my lights with this, and they work very well with INSTEON products.

They used to have an In-LineLinc with no dimming, but I'm not sure if that's available anymore.

The link above is to the relay (non-dimming) version...

jay wrote:The link above is to the relay (non-dimming) version...

Excellent!!!! This is the one without Sense, right?

I've installed three of these w/ Sense (with a fourth on-hand to install soon), and I've never used sense. I may want to use that on my next installation, but I'm thinking I want the control Indigo gives me with the separate sensor for event triggering and variable changes. Can I still perform variable changes from the Sense status on the In-LineLinc?

I know, I know. I'm totally off-topic.

johnpolasek wrote:

dshj wrote:Have you checked the size specifications to see if it might fit?

My question still stands...Why should I pay 5 dollars more for something that MIGHT fit (it's hard to figure out if a square box will fit into a round pole even if I have the dimensions for both; I THOUGHT the appliancelinc would make it, but it's just barely too big to cut the chord) when I KNOW a switchlinc half the size will certainly fit and except if a mouse gets inside the post and hits the switch, the two are functionally identical?

Here are the dimensions:
In-LineLinc: 2.75" H x 1.75" W x 0.88" D
SwitchLinc: 4.1" H x 1.8" W x 1.2" D

Is that better?

Any update on synchronic functionality? Not complaining, just wondering if this was on the short term horizon or long term horizon

It is actually in the current versions of Indigo (both 4.1.x and 5.0.x), we just never updated this thread to mention it.

(Addendum: basic support is in Indigo, we don't yet have a UI way to program the sensitivity setting although I'm pretty sure it could be done with a script now...)

Not seeing anything when searching for someone trying to adjust the sensitivity? Do you recall if you ever saw anything about it?

Dewster35 wrote:Not seeing anything when searching for someone trying to adjust the sensitivity? Do you recall if you ever saw anything about it?

I'm not sure I follow your question, but on the previous page of this thread, Brandt talks about wanting to be able to set the sensitivity from Indigo.

I was looking for actual script I could steal instead of beating my head against the wall